Bret Victor Inventing on Principle

>> They continuously run every time you make any change to them. >Which is very much unlike what a program does. You're saying "Program that run continuously every time you make any change are very much unlike what a program does?" That doesn't make any sense to me at all, can you please try to rephrase it? Speaking of program that run continuously, have you ever seen Bret Victor's talks "The Future of Programming" and "Inventing on Principle", or heard of Doug Engelbart's work? The Future of Programming [link] Inventing on Principle [this video] HN discussion: [link] "I'm totally confident that in 40 years we won't be writing code in text files. We've been shown the way [by Doug Engelbart NLS, Grail, Smalltalk, and Plato]." -Bret Victor Do you still maintain that "Excel sheets in their widely used form are not instructions or behaviour", despite the examples and citation I gave you? If so, I'm pretty sure we're not talking about the same Microsoft Excel, or even using the same Wikipedia. Your definition is arbitrarily gerrymandered because you're trying to drag the editor into the definition of the language, while I'm talking about the representation and structure of the language itself, which defines the language, not the tools you use to edit it, which don't define the language. I'll repeat what I already wrote, defining how you can distinguish a non-visual text programming language like C++ from a visual programming language like a spreadsheet or Max/MSP by the number of dimen