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Raymond Hettinger, Keynote on Concurrency, PyBay 2017

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Recommended as a clear, charismatic starting point for understanding Python concurrency and the GIL.

Raymond Hettinger's PyBay 2017 keynote on concurrency in Python. It covers threads, processes, asyncio, locks and the GIL, with live shell-based examples.

“the best learning material for me on this was this lecture” (HN, 2023)

2 strong recommendations · 2 recommendations · 3 citations · Talks · intermediate

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@culebron21 Jul 2023 Strongly recommends
on HN thread How to use a Python multiprocessing module
I've just left the question open, but the best learning material for me on this was this lecture. Other points down the list, I had to figure out just by trial and error. Raymond Hettinger, Keynote on Concurrency, PyBay 2017 [this video]
Best learning material on Python concurrency for this commenter
@xkgt May 2019 Recommends
on HN thread Has the Python GIL Been Slain? Subinterpreters in Python 3.8
It is because only one thread at a time holds the lock in order to avoid race conditions. The keynote[1] by Raymond Hettinger from PyBay '17 will be a great place to start if you are new to this. [1] [this video]
Good starting point for understanding the GIL and concurrency
@fastball Sep 2021 Recommends
on HN thread The GIL and its effects on Python multithreading
For anyone looking for something on the same topic but a little bit lighter / more practical, I really enjoyed this talk[1] by Raymond Hettinger at PyBay 2017, where he discussed the GIL as well. [1] [this video]
Lighter, more practical talk on the GIL

Citations, criticism and jokes

@devxpy Jun 2018 Cites it
on HN thread Why Threads Are a Bad Idea (1995) [pdf]
Threads are not hard. In fact, threads are extremely easy to implement. However, real Threading code is just incredibly difficult to reason, just by looking at it. This makes it easy for you to introduce race conditions without even knowing that there is one! There is also the fact that locks don't lock anything! They are just a flag, that a any code may choose to ignore. They are a not an enforcing tool, just a cooperative one. (More here: [this video] ) P.S. I created a library, that makes it easier to write safer multiprocessing code [link]
Further explanation of why locks are only cooperative
@dangom Aug 2018 Cites it
on HN thread JupyterCon: I don't like Notebooks [slides]
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Notebooks may be suitable for scratching things, but not much else. The problems noted by the OP are very serious, specially in the scientific world, where many do not have proper software engineering skills. The real issue is that newcomers do not know better, and so they don't realize the damage they're inflicting upon themselves and others before it's too late (irreproducible code, hidden states, dep. management, etc). Even the fast.ai library, which is a wonder, has broken notebooks. For those who try to follow the course at home, trying to run the notebooks is frustrating, as things are out of order and so errors pop up all the time. Jeremy is a wonderful teacher, but compare following a Fast.ai course video, which uses notebooks, to following a python video from, e.g., Raymond Hettinger [2], which uses sphinx and a shell. While the documentation style and ugly shell don't look nearly as cool, they are so much clearer and better structured. Notebooks become popular because they fill one gap that was left uncovered. As the scientific community moves away from Matlab into Python and R, reading code - pushed, amongst others, by the popularity of Github - becomes a day-to-day activity. Matlab scripts were easily explorable because users would load them, set breakpoints here and there, and look at results interactively - exactly what notebooks aim to provide. The difference is that what used to be breakpoints now become cells, comments now turn into Markdown and figures are i
Example of a clear shell-based Python teaching style
@targafarian Feb 2021 Cites it
on HN thread Python Concurrency: The Tricky Bits
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To say concurrency is broken in Python because of the GIL seems to be reiterated adage without actual wisdom behind it.[1] Are you writing an IO-bound task? Then asyncio[2] (even if just viewed as an interface: e.g., you can make it even more performant by using uvloop[3]) is a great way to achieve performant concurrency. As Raymond Hettinger likes to point out, even if you throw away the GIL, you will have to implement locks on shared resources (unless you're writing embarrassingly parallel codes--in which case either you can invoke them separately or use the multiprocessing module to great effect, or see how I do it easily below), and by the time you get all the locks implemented in your GIL-less world (locks which are error-prone), you've given up the performance you thought you'd get due to throwing away the GIL. Are you writing a CPU-bound task? I've only encountered this in scientific computing, as I'm a scientist, and for this (as another commenter mentions) I either use numpy[4] (strictly within a numpy call, the GIL is not held) or numba[5] (by default the entirety of your numba-fied functions do not hold the GIL). Therefore, I can either use Python threads or asyncio or Numba's built-in parallelism[6,7] (summary: some numpy routines for working with arrays of values are auto-parallized if called within a numba-fied function, and you can explicitly parallelize your own loops via `for i in numba.prange(N):`; in any case, then decorate the function with `@numba.njit(pa
Cited for point that removing the GIL still needs locks

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