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Music Software & Bad Interface Design: Avid’s Sibelius

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Recommended as the most entertaining serious critique of a software interface, and a crash course in UX mistakes.

Tantacrul dissects the UX and UI of Avid's Sibelius music notation software, going through a long list of bad design choices. The review is both a comic rant and a practical lesson in interface design.

“might be the most entertaining serious critique of a software user interface ever posted to YouTube.” (HN, 2020)

4 strong recommendations · 4 recommendations · 7 citations · 1 critical · Commentary

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@wexq May 2021 Strongly recommends
on HN thread Audacity Aquired by Muse Group
OSS needs more UI/UX people, and I think Tantacrul is fantastic for this. His twitter ( [link] ) and youtube ( [link] ) are full of interesting tidbits, an you can tell he's passionate about things. Even if you don't do music/notation his video on Sibelius, [this video] , is ridiculously funny, but also on point.
Funny and on-point Sibelius UI critique
@btown Oct 2021 Strongly recommends
on HN thread ‘Jean Sibelius’ Review: An Early Finale
Since Sibelius and Finale are two industry-leading (and very much competing) music notation software systems, this headline made me do a quadruple-take! [link] [link] For those interested in (extremely entertaining) breakdowns of the Sibelius software and other offerings in this space from a UI/UX design perspective, I highly recommend Tantacrul's videos, which propelled him to becoming the head designer for MuseScore and Audacity. IMO, this and his Dorico video are must-watch crash-courses for any developer touching UX design, even outside of music! [this video]
Crash course in UX design via Sibelius
@l__l Jul 2023 Strongly recommends
on HN thread MuseScore 4.1 is now available
If anyone is yet to see it, Tantacrul (on youtube) is now deeply involved with MuseScore (UX lead or similar?); he put out an awesome vid on the design of MS4 at the beginning of the year: [link] His video on how Sibelius' UX is a pile of shit remains one of my favourite vids on yt: [this video]
Favourite YouTube video on Sibelius UX
@xmprt Sep 2019 Recommends
on HN thread The Distribution of Users’ Computer Skills: Worse Than You Think (2016)
The solution isn't to put things in preference windows either because even smart users will find that cumbersome. There's an interesting pair of videos (if you have some time) that goes over the UI of two competing music scoring software and why one is bad and the other good. [this video] [link]
Compares good and bad scoring software UI
@TremendousJudge May 2022 Recommends
on HN thread Clairnote: An alternative music notation system
We are very, very far away from that. To get a feel of what scorewriter software is like nowadays, Tantacrul's videos[0] on the subject of UI are very good at showing what the state of the art is. On one of his videos he shows that the best score engraving can only be achieved by using a closed source, now-unsupported command line program from the 80s called Score[1] [0] [this video] [1] [link]
Shows state of the art in notation software
@radicality Dec 2022 Recommends
on HN thread MuseScore 4
Obligatory funny video review of MuseScore 3 UI: [link] Same author also has a funny video on the UI of another music notation program, Sibelius: [this video]
Funny UI review of Sibelius

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@ohazi Nov 2020 Cites it
on HN thread Update on MuseScore 3.6 and 4.0
For those out of the loop: Tantacrul is a composer who put together some hilariously scathing UI/UX video reviews for some popular composing software tools out there, including MuseScore [1] [2] [3]. The team developing MuseScore then brought him on as head of design. [1] Sibelius: [this video] [2] MuseScore: [link] [3] Dorico: [link]
Scathing UI review by future MuseScore designer
@ArchieMaclean Mar 2021 Cites it
on HN thread Fuckin' user interface design, I swear
My favourite example of this is Sibelius. The 'Quit Sibelius' button is precisely where you'd expect to find the 'Next' button. This video shows it at 6:33 [this video]
Example of bad UI placement
@robocat Nov 2021 Cites it
on HN thread Ask HN: I’d like to hire a personal/executive assistant – any tips or advice?
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> doing things like automating certain workflows where possible, building some custom tools, etc. The goal is to slowly transition to working as a programmer at Steinberg or Ableton or something like that, and then start my own company. I presume you’ve contacted tantacrul[1] who is now working[2] redesigning Audacity, with a hilarious video on the hellscape of a UI that is Sibelius[3]. I am guessing becoming a UI designer for a major piece of software is less difficult than becoming a composer? [1] [link] [2] [link] [3] [this video] Thank you for your story - it is a good reminder of the risks we face.
Hilarious takedown of Sibelius UI
@amiga386 May 2024 Cites it
on HN thread Printing Music with CSS Grid
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That's very much it. You could also make an analogy to the arts of typography and typesetting. It's of the same importance to a composer or musician that the notation is legible and beautiful, as it is to a graphic designer or reader that type and layout are legible and beautiful. If the GP is interested in the topic, there are great videos by Tantacrul on his experience redesigning the notation font for MuseScore [0] and his overview of MuseScore 4.0's engraving improvements [1] - in particular this second video, concerning mainly layout, shows just how far this CSS approach would have to go to have a truly legible, reflowable layout in the face of beams/slurs/ties. (I don't want to take away from anyone on the Sibelius team, they're likely even better experts on the subject than Tantacrul is, but as far as I know, they didn't make long-form Youtube videos about the topic! He also likely got the job of leading the MuseScore redesign thanks to his previous videos that critiqued and reimagined the interfaces of music composition software... including older versions of Sibelius [2] and MuseScore [3]) [0] [link] [1] [link] [2] [this video] [3] [link]
@wildrhythms Aug 2024 Cites it
on HN thread The End of Finale
Relevant Tantacrul video on the erosion of the Sibelius UI: [this video] I used Sibelius extensively circa version 5, and refused to upgrade for many years. I used it to get through my music minor in college. I still have the installer and a k*ygen on a hard drive somewhere since they stopped selling licenses to it and I lost mine. Still my preferred software, and yes I've tried Musescore. It's not nearly the same. Old software still works.
Erosion of the Sibelius UI
@zimpenfish Aug 2026 Cites it
on HN thread Twenty Years of RISC OS Open
Obligatory posting of Tantacrul's hilariously vicious kicking of Sibelius[0] "This really is one of the great examples of breaking all UI design principles and every UX design principle too. It's like a design bull in a musical china shop." [this video] [0] They may have fixed things in the intervening 8 years, I'm not a composer, I don't know.
Vicious critique of Sibelius design
@SeanLuke May 2020 Pushes back
on HN thread Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
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> That's plausible but AVID Pro Tools is even more prestigious than Logic and AVID's market cap is only $250 million[0]. In no universe is Pro Tools more prestigious than any of its competition. I think Pro Tools is viewed as The Thing That All Studio PHB Managers Purchased At Some Point So It's Reasonable For Studio Techs to Be Trained For. Kind of the "nobody ever got fired for picking IBM" of the music industry. In my opinion, AVID does not have a reputation for making innovative products. See what happened when they acquired Sibelius ( [this video] ). My limited experience with the industry suggests that Ableton, Bitwig, and Logic are the Cool Tools for Producing Music, that Cubase (Steinberg) is particularly popular with composers, that FL Studio is the cool low-cost leader among students, and that Reason is The Outsider. Notice which software is not in this list.

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