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HP computers are racist

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Cited on HN 7 times, 2013–2023, never outright recommended score 0
Years with an HN recommendation, 2007–2026

HN cites it as the standard example of algorithmic bias in face detection and of how skewed training data produces biased tech.

A short 2009 amateur video showing an HP MediaSmart webcam whose face tracking follows a white face but fails to track a black face. The uploader presents it as humorous.

“I also have some concerns of inadvertent "software racism". See for example, this video” (HN, 2013)

7 citations · Demos · partly dated

7 Hacker News comments

From the HN archive; up to 20 kept per video, favoring different commenters. Recommendations first.

@mistercow Aug 2013 Cites it
on HN thread The Face Scan Arrives
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Given the rate of false positives when "cold hits" are used with DNA databases, facial recognition (which is presumably higher entropy than DNA) has the potential to send a lot of innocent people to jail. I also have some concerns of inadvertent "software racism". See for example, this video: [this video] . Obviously facial recognition isn't inherently incapable of recognizing people of different races, but if it's designed and calibrated on subjects of one race, it won't necessarily work well for subjects of different races. The last thing we want is a facial recognition database that thinks e.g. all Arabs look alike. And of course, there are a ton of ways that it can be thwarted easily and inconspicuously, even if it works very well. Are all surveillance cameras going to be fitted with IR filters to ensure that a bright IR LED necklace doesn't blind them? And how hard is it for a criminal to hire a makeup artist?
Webcam failing to track dark-skinned faces
@gus_massa Oct 2014 Cites it
on HN thread Dubai detectives to get Google Glass
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I'd like to ignore the privacy aspect. I want to discuss the false positive problem. Is the technology reliable to have a low false positive rate? Probably face recognition is good enough to classify the photograph of your friends in Facebook, and the friends of your friends. It has to choose a person in a set of ~100. What happens when someone is falsely identified? Is the suspect released after a ID check or he is moved to the police station to a full check? Can this be a proxy for racial profiling? There was a horror story about a face recognition software that didn't detect someone with black skin. This can have the reverse problem. [this video]
Face tracking failing on dark skin
@Steltek Oct 2020 Cites it
on HN thread Nvidia Uses AI to Slash Bandwidth on Video Calls
My first thought was about the diversity of faces used in the demo and how ten years ago, computers didn't think black people were humans. [this video] But after that, I was reminded of the paranoia (or not?) around Zoom and that, for an extreme example, the CCP was mining and generating facial fingerprints and social networks using video calls. It seems like this technology is the same concept except put to a useful purpose.
@shadowgovt May 2023 Cites it
on HN thread Integrating Social Responsibility into Core CS
Functions are tools for humans to cause the computer to achieve a desired output. If the function isn't generating the desired output, change the function. We can talk all day about how the history of facial recognition has used things like the eye-nose-mouth T-shape or high-contrast contours to lock in on the target, but if at the end of the day the solution works for people with light skin and not people with dark skin, "HP computers are racist" for every meaningful (i.e. user-experienced) definition of the concept. (reference: [this video] )
Cites HP webcam as example of biased tech

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